In today's powerful episode of Everything Is Teachable, we talk to Zabie Yamasaki—trauma-informed yoga instructor, educator, activist, and Teachable creator. Hear from her about her journey to becoming a source of inspiration and healing for her online course students all around the world, how she approaches her course material with sensitivity and empathy, and how she practices self-care as an online business owner.
In today's powerful episode of Everything Is Teachable, we talk to Zabie Yamasaki—trauma-informed yoga instructor, educator, activist, and Teachable creator. Hear from her about her journey to becoming a source of inspiration and healing for her online course students all around the world, how she approaches her course material with sensitivity and empathy, and how she practices self-care as an online business owner.
Zabie Yamasaki, M.Ed., RYT (she/her) is the Founder of Transcending Sexual Trauma through Yoga which is an organization that offers trauma-informed yoga to survivors, consultation for universities and trauma agencies, and training for healing professionals. Zabie has trained thousands of yoga instructors and mental health professionals and her trauma-informed yoga program and curriculum is now being implemented at over 30 college campuses and trauma agencies including the University of California (UC) system, Stanford, Yale, USC, University of Notre Dame, and Johns Hopkins University. Zabie received her undergraduate in Psychology and Social Behavior and Education at UC Irvine and completed her graduate degree in Higher Education Administration and Student Affairs at The George Washington University. Her work has been highlighted on CNN, NBC, KTLA 5, and The Huffington Post.
Zabie is widely recognized for her intentionality, soulful activism, and passionate dedication to her field. She is a trauma-informed yoga instructor, resilience and well-being educator, and a sought after consultant and keynote speaker. She has worked with thousands of survivors to support them in their healing journey, ground them in their own worthiness and remind them they are inherently whole. Zabie centers survivors in her work, and provides them with tools to help uncover trauma imprints, support the healing process, create balance of the nervous system, and lessen the grip that past experiences of trauma may have on the heart. She is a survivor, mother, partner, daughter, sister, friend, and activist.
She has received countless awards in victim services and leadership, including the Visionary in Victim Services award from one of the largest rape crisis centers in California and the Voice of Courage Award from Exhale to Inhale. She is the author of the book and affirmation deck published by Norton: Trauma-Informed Yoga for Survivors of Sexual Assault: Practices for Healing and Teaching with Compassion.
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What I think is so powerful about the framework is it not only understands the impact of trauma on survivors, but also on whole communities and those that serve them. So really looking at healing professionals to having this deep understanding that so often survivors of trauma, go into the work go into the field.
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Welcome back to another episode of everything is teachable. My name is Hayley and I impeachable senior social media strategist and host of this podcast. Today we have a very impactful episode with Xabi Yamasaki, who is the founder of transcending sexual trauma through yoga, an organization that offers trauma informed yoga to survivors, consultation for universities and trauma agencies and training for health healing professionals. Sabe has trained 1000s of yoga instructors and mental health professionals and her trauma informed yoga program and curriculum is now being implemented at over 30 college campuses and trauma agencies all over the country. She is widely recognized for her intentionality, soulful activism and passionate dedication to her field, which you will definitely hear about in today's episode, along with how she teaches very sensitive subjects and the way that she really truly connects with students in her course. Let's say hello to Zabi. Hello, Xavi, how are you doing today?
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Hi, Haley. I'm doing so well. Thank you for having me.
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I am so excited to have you here. Today. I'm so excited to talk to you about your journey and everything. But before we really get into it, I'd love for you to do an introduction about yourself and your background and tell us about your business.
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Oh, of course. So my name is Bo Misaki. My pronouns are she and her. And I run an organization called transcending sexual trauma through yoga, which is an organization with a very simple mission empowering survivors to heal the the practice of yoga. I'm also really passionate about training, yoga instructors, mental health professionals and other healing professionals in integrating trauma informed yoga into the scope of the work that they do and the spaces that they hold. And we do a lot of consultation. So we support about 30 Different trauma agencies and universities who want to really expand the scope of what healing looks like. And it's been really exciting to see the expansion the past couple of years, I think folks are really opening up to this deep knowing that we can no longer leave the body out of the equation when we're talking about healing. And finally, my book was recently published last month was publication days. So it's trauma for survivors of sexual assault practices for healing and teaching with compassion. So exciting. Thank you so much. And there's a card deck as well trauma informed yoga affirmation card deck. And, you know, just to see the world open up to this modality to see the ways in which survivors are suddenly getting support when it once felt inaccessible. It's just been a really, really exciting time. And I'm excited to talk with you more about the journey to getting here as well as my love for teachable because a lot of the expansion of trainings has happened on this platform.
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Yes, yes, I'm so excited such a beautiful and powerful impact that you're making. And I know that you are a trauma informed professional, and I kind of would love to talk about what exactly that means.
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Absolutely. So this is one of my favorite things to talk about Halley's so you can stop me if you feel like I would go as long as you'd like. You know, first of all say that being trauma informed is is a lifelong philosophy and a skill set to putting humans at the center of their own experience, and honoring all of the ways in which trauma might have impacted their lived experience and incorporating sensitivity into the way that we hold space as a practitioner. Oftentimes, folks will come to my trauma informed yoga teacher trainings and they want a checklist, right and what are all of the ways that I can be more trauma informed, but it really is a lifelong commitment to self learning to self inquiry. to letting those that you hold space for be your teachers, because they're going to tell you what they mean. And really, it's about offering many different options for trauma survivors to choose what feels best for them. So safety, trust, choice, control, collaboration, empowerment and cultural competence are some of the core components of a trauma informed framework. And essentially, when we're teaching trauma informed yoga, which I know we'll probably go into in just a bit, it's taking those frameworks and integrating those into the way that we hold space when we're teaching. sound sad gives a really great definition of trauma and form that I just wanted to mention. They break it down in terms of the four R's, which is realizes the widespread impact of trauma recognizes how it's impacting students, responds in a way that allows students to feel heard and facilitates healing from trauma. And, of course, actively resist retraumatization. And so there's so much more to say, but I wanted to just kind of give a few nuggets for folks who are interested in because, you know, I'm, I'm acutely aware that the term trauma informed has really become a buzzword. And I think it's so important for folks to be grounded and what the term means, where it comes from, and how it can be applied to multiple settings, within the scope of our work. You know, it actually comes from the work of black and brown feminists who were on the ground, doing direct work with survivors, centering their humanity, really stems back from early rape crisis center and domestic violence movements. And now it's being widely applied to medical settings, to advocacy settings. And what I think is so powerful about the framework is it not only understands the impact of trauma on survivors, but also on whole communities and those that serve them. So really looking at healing professionals to having this deep understanding that so often survivors of trauma, go into the work go into the field. So really working to build strong, healthy, resilient organizations that contribute to community and collective care, because what we don't want to see is survivors who then feel inspired to go into the field, and then suddenly they're working in toxic systems, or this parallel process starts to play out where the work they're trying to prevent and heal starts to play out systemically in some of these organizations, which unfortunately, we're seeing a lot, which is why I feel so passionate about constantly sharing what does it mean to be a trauma informed professional? And what does it mean to be a trauma informed organization?
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Thank you so much for that detailed overview. i That is such an important movement and the passion that you have for this is very evident. It's very evident, just seeing new hearing you. So thank you so much for giving that explanation. And what really inspired you to pursue this career path?
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I love this question. A large portion of all of my professional roles over the past decade plus have been in direct service, or working on the frontlines in prevention, giving presentations on trauma. And without a doubt after every presentation, I would facilitate there would be a number of Survivor disclosures that followed. And in my numerous conversations with survivors over the years, there's been some pretty consistent themes that have come up. One has been this need to feel something tangible. Many survivors shared that they struggled with the physiological impact of their trauma, the flashbacks, the nightmares, the insomnia, the chronic pain, and many share that they just weren't quite ready to process their experiences through talk therapy. And I knew that I wanted to create a program that really spoke to the language of the body that met survivors where they are, that was soulful, that was intersectional that honored the roots of the practice. And it was really interesting because I was working as a violence prevention educator, but I was also simultaneously going through yoga teacher training. And to be honest, for a while, the two worlds felt very separate. You know, I felt like I'm doing this. I'm really inspired to be a yoga teacher. I want to implement it into my work somehow, maybe but they were very the I didn't really think about the inner connection between the too, and tired really started sitting with the survivors stories that I was carrying with me every single day. You know, so many folks, once we started implementing the trauma informed yoga program, we're starting with trauma informed yoga, and it was a first entry point for them to get any type of support related to their trauma. Many of those survivors went on to then feel empowered to seek additional support, whether that was survivor advocacy, or finding a therapist, or reporting the assault, if that felt comfortable to them. And so it was just so inspiring to see the ways in which you start to see where the gaps are. And you start to realize, if so many survivors are talking about the debilitating physiological impact of the triggers that they're experiencing every single day, talking about that isn't necessarily going to help. You know, it's really about finding ways to repattern the nervous system, define ways to activate the parasympathetic nervous system, to feel grounded to feel an access safety in their own body. And anything when we start there. So many beautiful things can happen and unfold and the healing process.
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Oh, yeah, I have heard so many one, actually, one of my very best friends and my roommate is a trauma informed breathwork facilitator. So I have heard so much about, you know, regulating your nervous system. And that's something that really is so fascinating. So how are some of the ways that you've introduced these teachings into your practices now?
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Oh, absolutely. Well, I mentioned earlier, I'm really passionate about training, yoga instructors and healing professionals and mental health professionals. And something that we start with is sort of the foundational elements of the neurobiology of trauma. I think it's so important that we train folks in what is the impact of trauma on the body and the brain? And why is it so hard for a survivor to speak about what happened to them? Why are these memories incredibly fragmented? You know, we spend a lot of time there to provide the foundation because then it really opens up this whole world for folks to understand the pathways for why we have to integrate the body into the healing journey. And if you think about it, for many survivors, they spend a lot of time living in survival mode. trauma can impact the nervous system deeply, it can send us into states of hyper arousal where we're experiencing anxiety, intrusive thoughts panic, it can send us into states of hypo arousal where we might be experiencing depression, lethargy, flat effect isolation may be even seemingly small tasks feel incredibly insurmountable, because we're all experiencing adrenal fatigue and burnout and exhaustion. And it can be really scary for trauma survivors to not know the difference between safety and danger. And our bodies are just not designed to constantly live in states of hyper arousal, right. And so, so much of my work is doing a lot of psychoeducation around the window of tolerance, which is a concept that comes from Daniel Siegel. And what's so powerful about it is it helps us I wish I had a visual to show you, but I'm Google window tolerance. And you can really be attuned to, when you might be moving in and out of states of hyper arousal and hyper arousal. And when you start to really have that sense of embodiment and safety to know wow, I am feeling really anxious right now, what are some practices that I can do that might help widen my window of tolerance? What's, what practices are harming me and what practices are helping me right? Because that's going to be a very good baseline for us to expand our window. I know for me, I the way that it shows up when I am way out of my window of tolerance is I get incredibly irritable. My husband will say something like honey, your empathy meters in the red today. Oh,
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I love that. Love that.
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Oh, and you know, for me to hear that. like to consider myself a pretty good passionate person. So that's the first indicator to me like, wow, okay. I'm clearly losing my patience or my left eye is starting to twitch and starting up, my body is clearly communicating to me. And I think, you know, so often we live in a world where we receive messages constantly that are our worth should be measured by our productivity. And we know that's not true. But when that's playing out in our society and systemically, so many folks are overriding those messages of their nervous system, right? Like, you can easily know I'm very irritable right now, because I snapped at that person when I was in the grocery line, or Wow, I'm really dehydrated right now, or I'm hungry, you know, tend to, you know, I talked to so many people who are on zooms back to back to back, they're not even going to the restroom in between, in between their zooms like I'm talking about honoring basic needs to ensure that we're really tending to ourselves with the care and compassion we deserve. Yeah. So yeah, I could talk about the nervous I
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love it. I would definitely we I definitely want to touch on burnout and self care later, for sure. But thank you so much for that. And, you know, earlier, you had mentioned how creating the online courses was very expensive for your business. So I'd love to touch on that. And also, the healing journey, in any form is it can be, you know, a painful, difficult time, and especially for survivors of sexual trauma. This is an incredibly traumatic triggering situation to be in when you're going through that healing journey again. So I'm also very interested to hear about how you developed your curriculum to be very good. And I have no doubt as to be very compassionate and empathetic and sensitive to the people who are taking your course.
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Yes, yes. I love this question. Something that I think about a lot. And it's actually something that came up in it, I was on a panel yesterday, and it was something that I mentioned, because even in my book, Haley, there's so many trauma books out there that are so informative, and so amazing. But you read through the book, and you're understanding trauma from an intellectual level, you're understanding the symptoms, you're understanding this stories. But for those who are survivors, and reading some of those trauma bucks, that's not always taken into account, right, because there's a lot of resources that are written for mental health professionals and yoga teachers to learn how to integrate these tools, or how they can better serve the survivors or the clients that they're holding space for. So when I wrote when I wrote the book, and when I created the course, I was very intentional about, obviously, the content warnings, but speaking to folks from a very gentle and compassionate lens, that I'm acutely aware that many survivors come to this work. So this requires us to be extra gentle with ourselves, that we don't have to have it all figured out that we can take our time that healing is not linear than if things are coming up for you. Or if a trauma narrative or a trigger is being activated. As you're moving through the lecture on neurobiology of trauma and learning about the physiological impact of PTSD, you can pause, and you can come back to this at any time, you can skip to module eight, where it's an eight week series for survivors. And there's so many different practices in there. And there's practices throughout the training where folks can just pause on the lecture part and say, You know what, I've I've done enough learning today. Now I'm going to really start moving through these practices and embodying them for myself and taking care of myself because there's a beautiful term beautiful saying that Tracy Stanley said recently, we cannot teach what we do not practice. And I think about that a lot, both in the way that I take care of myself, so I can do my work with integrity and space and in ways that are sustainable that I'm really attending to my nervous system with care. And so I want to model that for folks who are in my courses and really encourage them to go slow and it's why we get lifetime access. We offer everything on a sliding scale. I really want it to be an accessible platform and teachable has really allowed me to do that. I'm so grateful.
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That is I love the fact that everything is so gentle and flexible and gives everyone the autonomy to choose how they want to approach the healing journey in a way that's best for them. So, that's so great to hear. And what are some of the transformations that you've seen from people who have taken your courses, maybe you've in the past are taking it now. And I would imagine, I've talked to other creators and past episodes about how developing online courses just makes everything so much more accessible. So that's something that I really love, you know, especially for, for topics like this, I think that is so important and beautiful. So I'd love to hear kind of more about some transformations that you've seen, and the connections that you've made with your students
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that I could talk about this all day, changed my life, and the students in the chorus have, have absolutely touched my heart and ways that, you know, there's hard to find words for it. And, and I love what you said about the accessibility piece. Because for a while I was leading, you know, pre COVID, I was leading these three days trauma informed yoga teacher trainings in persons in studios across the country. And it was hard that, you know, it was it was hard on me to travel so much, but it was also hard to fit so much curriculum, you know, as you see, it's eight modules, there's so much content itself paced, but to try to fit that into three days, you know, you never want to feel like you're flooding somebody's nervous system by trying to give them too much trauma education, right. But balancing the excitement they have for learning with the with the fact that you know, many of these folks are also survivors themselves. And so that gentleness and that trauma informed framework is so important. So having my courses online on teachable allowed me to now interact with people from all over the world, in different countries across the United States, in places that I never, I never imagined that I could reach you know. And in fact, the other day, I got the most moving email from somebody who finished there, they finished their trauma informed yoga certification on teachable and she wrote me and she says, Bobby, I loved this training so much. And I'm so excited to share with you that I'm going to be implementing it at the Sexual Assault Prevention Office on this Air Force Base. know to know that these tools are being implemented for survivors on Air Force bases, in trauma agencies across the country, that they're reaching survivors who are in historically marginalized populations. It's beyond anything I could have imagined. Every day I get a message or an email from somebody who shares with me how they've opened up their news, their their own yoga studio, that's now all classes are taught from a trauma informed lens, or they've integrated the modality into their trauma agency. And now they have it as a sustainable modality in their scope of services, or they're working with veterans or they're working, you know, with LGBT youth and translating the concepts to multiple populations. I just, it is so hard to articulate to you how absolutely incredible and moving it's going to be for people to have access all over the world.
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Thank you so much for sharing. It's so heartwarming. I just love hearing stories like this all the time, it is the best and it's makes the mission of what we're doing so important and valuable. So thank you,
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chorus Haley and add one more thing to is, you know, many survivors, there is the course for healing professionals. There's also a standalone eight week yoga as healing series for survivors to move through to support their own healing journey. And the testimonials that come from survivors who go through that course of just saying, you know, you helped me believe that that I'm worthy and that I'm enough or that healing is possible. Then I have choice as you know that I'm not defined by my trauma that I can take a few minutes each day to ground and that can help me move through a situation where I was triggered and now I have some tools to help me support balancing my nervous system and I didn't have a language for that before. So I just wanted to add that because to know that survivors can have access to a modality when maybe other modalities weren't working for them. It's, I can't think of anything greater to do with my career. And it's a life giving.
25:20
Oh, that's so beautiful. It's so obvious that you've just really created a such a strong, engaged community. And I'm so curious to know how you really built that. And, you know, this is, how did you find the audience that was meant to be aligned with you and your services?
25:43
It's such a good question. You know, I think I built everything that I've done from my heart, and with love and with a deep understanding of, of being a survivor and having that be a part of my lived experience. And I think when survivors build programs for survivors, some of the most beautiful healing can unfold, because it's done with such intention, you know, it's never been about, I've never wanted this to be about me, or building some big business, I wanted it to be about healing and accessible healing. And it really started out as me leading these trauma informed weekly donation based classes at a studio in Orange County years ago, those classes eventually grew into me, wanting to lead trauma informed yoga teacher trainings, because suddenly I was getting requests, I was, I would call myself the traveling Yogi because I had like, 10 yoga mats in my car, and I would direct trauma agency to domestic violence shelter to rape crisis center, and I was trying to lead all these programs, and that wasn't sustainable. And so I thought, you know, I want to train other people to teach in this way. And it took building a lot of confidence to believe I was capable of, of taking everything that I learned and creating a curriculum, but I got there. And I started leading those trainings. And then CNN got a hold of what I was doing, and they did a feature. And then NBC and it just started in such organic ways. And universities started reaching out, like we're hearing what you're doing, we want to, we realize we need to expand what we're offering to survivors, can you help us implement a program, and then that grew? And so here we are. Love, magic?
27:48
That is so awesome. It's just such an amazing story. And I'm just super inspired by you. So thank you for everything you do.
27:57
Thank you lately.
27:58
Yeah, of course, what would you say is one piece of advice that you received from a peer or mentor, when you first started your online business that really impacted you to this day?
28:14
I would say to the words, know your value, or just something that I continue to ground myself in, and I think trauma can make it really easy to feel small or to shrink yourself. And for a long time I did that, you know, I didn't didn't charge what I was worth. I said yes to everything. I tried to do all the things and I just think, you know, it was remote. My sister is the one who always tells me, you know, know your value, I'll reach out to her, like, how much should I charge this organization to do this speaking event? I don't know. And she was like, No, your value. So I would say that that has carried me to this day.
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Oh, that is that is a good one that is going on. I love that. And, you know, Zabi you're teaching, you know, very sensitive subjects. And I feel like that could potentially get I don't want to speak for you. But you know, I know about compassion. Fatigue is definitely a thing. Burnout is a thing. And what are some ways that you as a business owner as a person, practice self care?
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Well, it's it's an everyday struggle. And there's no such thing as balance. Sometimes things have been one direction and the other and we're having to constantly recalibrate and make intentional choices around our needs. You know, my husband and I have to be very intentional about how we plan our weeks and how we look at our calendar and for me personally If I tend to really space things out, I don't take on multiple meetings in one day, I like to have a lot of space between things space to just sit in the sun space to write space to, you know, is telling you, I'm heading now to go have lunch with one of my best friends like that, I can just do that during the week that that is integrated community connection, self care, you know, some days, it's going to be a yoga class other days, it's going to be a walk around the block. But I think that what can be really hard is so often we're told, Well, what are the ways you're taking care of yourself when we really need community care, and it's hard to not be impacted systemically by the collective trauma that we're witnessing. And so I have to be very mindful about my consumption of news. And sometimes it's like today with my activism, I'm going to do one small thing, I'm going to do one small thing that's going to contribute to the collective because each of our small, intentional acts matter. And it's just a framework for me, that helps me not get overwhelmed by the whole, you know, I look at what's going on in Ukraine, what is one thing that I can do in this moment today, to inspire my activism, and I just, I'm also an empath, and I have to work really hard on my emotional boundaries, because I feel everything. So it's saying a lot of No, even when I want to say yes, it's saying I can do that podcast, but not until four more months right now, or just being and there's a somatic term for this, actually, that Joe Buick taught me it's called portioning, where essentially, at the beginning of your week, you really attuned to how full or depleted Do you feel on Monday morning, depending on what sort of vulnerability hangovers or you know, exe burnout hangovers that tend to linger into the next week. And then really looking at your calendar and saying, Wow, okay, I am getting a three hour training on Tuesday. That means I need to schedule in and nap right after and not take anything else before I need to go pick up my son, or I committed to that thing. But you know what, it is very important to me, I'm going to make sure that person knows it's important to me, but I need to reschedule it, because I just don't have the bandwidth this week. You know, it's having a lot of grace and compassion with yourself. We're all human, we're doing the best that we can. There are so many unpredictable things that come up that we can't foresee that are going to impact our bandwidth. And so, yeah, it's an everyday dance and really being very compassionate with yourself and the choices that you make.
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Yeah, I know that advice was for our listeners, but I'm taking I needed to hear that personally. So thank you. Yeah, working online and social media has really, you know, brought those those issues to the forefront for me of learning how to set boundaries and taking breaks and stepping away from the computer and the news when I need to be because even though my job isn't directly related to news, it's I see it all the time. I can't escape it. So I just really hearing that is very validating. So I really appreciate it.
33:43
You're so welcome.
33:45
Oh, thank you. Xabi, where can people connect with you or learn more about your courses, your services and all of that?
33:53
Absolutely. So my website is be yamasaki.com. And I'm on Instagram at transcending trauma with yoga. That's where probably the best place to connect with me because that's where I keep everything updated, but all of my teachable courses you can find on my website under training and courses.
34:15
Amazing. And before we hop off today, do you have any last words of wisdom or inspiration for our listeners, particularly those who maybe are considering taking a step to teaching a you know, a sensitive topic themselves?
34:35
I would just say to give yourself time to take the pressure off to have to have a certain timeline to have your course completed by I actually, it took about nine months to build my course. And it was during my pregnancy with my son and it was a really hard time I was very anxious during the pregnancy. and building the course gave me something really tangible that I was very passionate about that I could focus on, without stressing me out. You know, like, every day I did a little bit today I'm going to organize my files to in a record one lecture. Today, I'm going to do one transcription. You know, today, I feel inspired to kind of dabble in Canva and create some imagery and some slides for my course. You know what today, I want to look into some video platforms to see what would be the best option for me, you know, have fun with it, and in a way that that you've dreamed of, and take your time to find the best resources and tools, because that that really did support me, it was one thing in my life that I've done, where I didn't put too much pressure on myself to crank it out and, and get it done. Because I you know, the course is so sacred to me, I wanted that to be reflected, and that that feedback that I get is tenfold right? Folks are like, Oh my gosh, is a resource manual that you've created these practices. The lectures are so informative. And so just again, I would say take your time. And when you're passionate about something, just just honor that and follow that because it's going to be beautiful as it unfolds for your unique journey.
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Thank you so much, Nabil for your vulnerability, your advice your time as well. I just really appreciate it. And as you said it, we'll make sure all of your links and social media handles are in the show notes for everyone. And I hope that you have an amazing rest of your day.
36:49
Thank you Haley you take care and good luck.
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