Everything is Teachable

Rewilding Entrepreneurship (Lindsay Mack, Tarot for the Wild Soul)

Episode Summary

In this episode, we sat down with Lindsay to discuss the influence spirituality, intuition, and Tarot has on their business, as well as specific tips and strategies they use to practice self-care, build an online community, combat burnout, and more.

Episode Notes

Welcome to Season 4 of Everything is Teachable—we've missed you.


When it comes to entrepreneurship, it's not a one size fits all situation. That's why every episode of this podcast gets to know different Teachable creators from all backgrounds, and we hope that you get to see a part of yourself in every guest we have on. Now, let's get into the first episode of the season, shall we?


Meet Lindsay Mack: intuitive artist, Tarot teacher, writer, and founder and podcast host of Tarot for the Wild Soul. Lindsay is the creator of Soul Tarot, a radical reinterpretation and intentional utilization of the Tarot as a helping tool, one that can assist us in differentiating the noise of our mind from the truth of our soul. Through their workshops, retreats, and online Tarot courses, Lindsay has had the profound honor of teaching Soul Tarot to tens of thousands of people from all around the world.


In this episode, we sat down with Lindsay to discuss the influence spirituality, intuition, and Tarot has on their business, as well as specific tips and strategies they use to practice self-care, build an online community, combat burnout, and more. Our intuition is telling us that you're going to walk away from this episode feeling inspired.


Where to find Lindsay:
Lindsay’s websites: https://www.tarotforthewildsoul.com/, https://www.lindsaymack.com/
Lindsay’s Teachable school: https://www.soultarotschool.com/
Lindsay’s Instagram: @wildsoulhealing 


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Episode Transcription

Transcript (our transcriptions are created through an AI transcription tool—please excuse any spelling and/or grammatical errors):

Lindsay Mack  0:00  

I believe that we all have something to say, that's really, really valuable. And I think some times it does take getting into the ring and being like, Whoa, I got knocked out big time by that. And if you can get yourself to the drawing board and say, okay, great, like we tried that no one signed up. That's, that's not personal. Like, I don't need to take that personally. It might mean that that's a piece of material that I can bring forward in another two years. It could be this wasn't quite the right time to do it could be the I have the opportunity to refresh it or to consider it in a different way. My kind of main belief about business and the entrepreneurial path is that it actually is and I use this word before very spirally.

Haleigh Fullilove  0:55  

Well, welcome to everything is teachable. The podcast that takes you behind the scenes to learn how everyday creators have transformed their skills and passions into online courses and businesses.

Hello, and welcome. It's Hayley, teachable, Senior Social Media Strategist and host of this podcast, everything is teachable. I am so glad you're here. I cannot believe we're already kicking off season four. And I cannot wait for you to tune in this season. But before we get into our first episode, I have a special gift for you. So if you're listening to this right now, and if you aren't already on one of our plans, we are offering a 20% off discount for our most popular Plan Pro Annual. So if you've been listening to past episodes and feeling really inspired to create an online course of your own, consider this a sign to get started. To get more details about the offer head to teachable.com/podcast-promo. Now, let's meet our very first guest of the season Lindsey Mack of Tarot for the Wild Soul. Lindsay is an intuitive artist, Tarot teacher, writer and the host of the popular podcast taro for the wild soul, which has been downloaded over 6 million times since it launched in 2017. Lindsey is the creator of solteiro, a radical reinterpretation and intentional utilization of the Tarot as a helping tool, one that can assist us in differentiating the noise of our mind, from the truth of our soul. Through their workshops, retreats, and online Tarot courses, Lindsay has had the profound honor of teaching solteiro to 10s of 1000s of people from all around the world. I'm so fascinated by the Tarot practice, personally. So this interview was so much fun to do. Let's go ahead and say hello to Lindsay. Lindsay, how are you? Thank you so much for joining me today.

Lindsay Mack  2:53  

It's such a pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. And I'm quite well, how are you doing today?

Haleigh Fullilove  2:59  

I'm doing pretty good. I can't complain. And I'm so honored to have you on. I am such a huge fan of your work and everything that you're doing. And I'm just super excited to have this conversation with you. Me too. Yes. Let's go ahead and jump right in. I would love to just start things off with talking about you and where you started before you began your entrepreneurial journey.

Lindsay Mack  3:22  

Oh, you know, as I'm sure most entrepreneurs can identify with, it was a pretty well, maybe some of them can't actually, I feel like we all have our own way in. But it was a pretty spirally path to the work I'm doing now. But I would say that I definitely have an entrepreneurial spirit and have certainly been like right out of college. In my very early 20s. I was a part of a theatre company that did performance art downtown in New York City for many years. And we self produced all of our own shows, which means we pay for everything. We paid our actors and we made our sets and like it was a very hands on you have a million different jobs to do. So from a pretty young age, there was always a sense of like, what's the day job that's going to support this job, you know, there was always that exchange. Then when my work started to pivot away from performance and into service and into helping profession work that sort of started with health coaching like way back in 2012. And I felt like I was very passionate about that as somebody who had PTSD was pretty benefited and affected by the food I ate. And then there was kind of another wave of change in Tarot which is a tool I've used since I was about 12 years old. Came back into my life and and I wasn't never planning on Tarot becoming my business but once I sort of had a taste of how good it felt to do it professionally. It became like a really clear, a very clear drive and vision for me that I really wanted to be able to make my living doing this that was really a dream. And that morphed from like, readings to teaching. And now I think probably still teaching, but I hope different things and books and things. So I don't know, it's always been in me, but in terms of it was definitely born of the desire to do this work and be blessed and privileged enough to be able to make my living at it. And it has certainly been a wonderful honor to be able to do that.

Haleigh Fullilove  5:42  

Yeah, that is so beautiful. And I know we're going to talk about Tarot throughout this episode, but I really want to talk about your personal connection with it. You mentioned that you started using Tarot when you were 12. Yeah, what was your experience with Tarot? Like, why did you? Why did you feel so drawn to it? And how did that develop throughout your life to where you are now?

Lindsay Mack  6:05  

Yeah, so I think like, in a greater energetic sense, perhaps some part of me knew that it would be a tool that would be very important and special in my life. I've definitely always had pretty strong instincts they guided me to like, I don't really question them when they come up. And I do remember, at that age, seeing taro in the bookstore that I was in for what I think was the first time I don't recall knowing what taro was before that. Certainly no one I knew used it. And I didn't know about it from media really all that much. But I saw them and thought, Well, that looks really interesting. Now, I think there were a couple of reasons why I thought it was interesting. One is that, from the time I was really young, I considered and self identified as a witch and a very, like, deeply connected, very sensitive kid. That word before I really have much context for what it meant in a larger sense, and being a part of like a coven, or a practice resonated with me. And I knew that there was something about these cards. And I think probably the thing that made my 12 year old self pick them up, is that I had a really hard, very dysfunctional, abusive childhood. And I think I was just like, always looking for anything that might help me to bridge that gap to something bigger than me understand. I was comforted and enjoyed tools like that. You cannot really know Taro, what it was what it did, I wanted to buy it and did and bought it with some books and tried to teach myself and I think how my work with the Tarot, developed started at that age, because I would pull these cards and read these descriptions of what the cards men and think that's not true for me at all. And rather than kind of be like, Oh, I must not understand there was something in me that thought, well, maybe the author is coming at this from a place where they're not considering a different point of view than their own. And so it encouraged me from a very young age to be a very, to be a critical thinker, really about it. And from there, it just continued to be this tool, rather than knowing what's to come became something that would help me to understand what I was moving through and had to get closer to myself. So those were, it's very abridged, but that's a that's a part of how I found it a part of how it started and a part of how the germ of sort of how it influenced the work I do with it now.

Haleigh Fullilove  8:50  

Yeah, what was kind of your biggest inspiration to transition into more healing work, energy work, and especially so with working with fellow creators, fellow business owners, because I know that's your main focus? Correct?

Lindsay Mack  9:06  

I work with everybody. But there's no sect of my business that is focused on fellow intuitives creatives. Yeah, there's like a little branch, where it's a great passion of mine. Yes. I think it's just like I will likely spend my whole life healing from the wounding and the trauma that I've gone through. And I think that's often the journey of somebody who's been through some really hard stuff, is that if they find that they've kind of moved through an underworld journey, there is sometimes an inspiration and have a desire to help to be by someone's side while they do it. Obviously, I'm not over emphasizing my work. I'm not a therapist, and I don't do therapeutic work but there is a kind of a core theme in my work, that's really, the taro can come with you through anything, it can really be a tool that can show up with you be with you as a benevolent tool is kind tool as a mirror. And that was always how I saw it. So it was It wasn't really all that strategic, it was really just like, I feel like I have something to say about this. That might be it's a little bit less so now unique that I think that like a lot of people have that viewpoint on Tarot. But certainly when I was coming up, there wasn't a whole lot of that. So yeah, that's what inspired me it was just a desire to it was a calling, you know, plain and simple. And I think same thing with helping folks who run or want to run their own business like I'm, again, a trauma survivor who lives with chronic pain lives with PTSD, that's a very different rhythm of working and being an entrepreneur than I think, for some. And so my work is really born and inspired out of that, like we all work and move and create in different rhythms. So how can there be something here that is a soft place to land for somebody who just feels like, this whole industry is too much, or there's a lot of ableism over here, there's a lot of kind of binary over there. I don't claim to be doing the best and most perfect job at it. But it's certainly like, just teaching and leading from what I know, today. You know, my own path is the biggest inspiration, I suppose.

Haleigh Fullilove  11:42  

That is such a beautiful story. And I really, really appreciate you sharing that with me and our listeners. And I really think a common theme that I'm picking up on is that you are so able to trust your voice. Yeah. And I think that's something that I would really like to talk about. Because for people in particular who are wanting to start their own business or share their knowledge in some kind of way. A lot of people are maybe scared to take that first step or just trust their voice like, is what I have to say valuable is what I have to share up. Are people going to care about this? And what advice would you have for people who are kind of in that space?

Lindsay Mack  12:26  

Oh, just give yourself the freedom and the permission to start from where you are. That's the biggest piece of advice that I would give anyone I there's something in me that's louder and more forward facing than the doubt that I often feel and the insecurity because that isn't there. And I will say that I have been making work publicly, since about 2015. And oh my God, when I go back and look at my old work, it's keeps you humble. I may not just say that even my work from two years ago, I just think, wow, there's been a lot of realizations, a lot of a lot of awareness has developed a lot of radicalization as as developed in me. And it's different. And I think there is a an unfortunate part of entrepreneurial ship and sort of strategic business design where really all of it has to be kind of, you have to be really perfect. You have to like sweep it all under the rug. And my attitude has always really been transparency. Like I'm very transparent with my community about how I've grown, how I've changed. What I wouldn't do, again, what feels kind of a distance like like I missed the mark, or I failed or, and I feel like my my bond with my community has only grown stronger through the occasional rupture and then repair or the occasional pivot on my part based on something I understand now or didn't before. I believe that we all have something to say, that's really, really valuable. And I think some times it does take getting into the ring and being like, Whoa, I got knocked out big time by that. And if you can get yourself to the drawing board and say, Okay, great. Like we tried that no one signed up. That's, that's not personal. Like I don't need to take that personally. It might mean that that's a piece of material that I can bring forward in another two years. It could be this wasn't quite the right time to do it could be the I have the opportunity to refresh it or to consider it in a different way. My kind of main belief about business And the entrepreneurial path is that it actually is. And I use this word before, very spiral, like, we're humans, we get sick, we get old, we die. There are things that happen, things that happen in life, we change our minds, we realize things we didn't know before. So all this to say that if we think about the idea that we would wait to trust, like that, we know everything that we have everything, obviously, we want to work in integrity in an ethical way. But if we're waiting for that moment, when like, it's all there, it's never gonna happen. So I would say that, while I wish, you know, my mind, my brain wants everything to like, be perfect and square and great. I have never learned much from that. So I think we would become the entrepreneurs that we are through, through saying, I don't have the trust, but I do feel the call. So I think that's the key is like, I do have the call this information feels like it wants to be shared. Whoever comes forward and wants to experience it. That's not really within my control. But my job is just put it out there. I feel like that is what has guided me personally. And that's what helps when my stuff doesn't do as well as I want it to do or wish it would do. Or when my numbers are a little lower, you know, it's a lot easier for me, because my self worth isn't tied up in that. It's really just like, Well, my one job was to bring the material forward. And I did it. So you know, who knows what that means? But that's my job. Hopefully, that's helpful.

Haleigh Fullilove  16:45  

Oh, my God. Yes, it is. It really, really is. Especially when you mentioned not tying yourself worth to the results or just, yeah, your business in general. Yes, it's your business. But it doesn't it's not the it's not the end all be all to who you are as a person. If something doesn't go the way you want it to go. Yeah. Yeah. And I love I love what you mentioned about just feeling the pull towards something is enough to start showing up. Yeah, that's really great. And what were some of like, either you can maybe touch on challenges that you experienced when you first started, or even challenges that you're facing now, what were some common themes or any bigger challenges that have come up for you?

Lindsay Mack  17:31  

I would say for me, the constant sort of companion. I mean, being an entrepreneur, right. It's, it's a journey, certainly of discovery. And I think it's a mirror in a big way to our stuff. You know, and like, I don't know if everyone always thinks about it like that? I certainly do. I think that my biggest challenges over the years that I do think have really shifted. Like, recently, it's taken that much time is kind of just over giving, that's been my biggest is like undercharging, over giving and getting completely destroyed and not quite like understanding logistically what burnout is what over giving is. But I was really tethered to this idea that was a little stronger than I think the logical part of me that was like, in order for people to appreciate me to like me to do the work to stay with me. I have to like, give everything or I'm not giving it all. I was really challenged by that and still am like there I was just talking to my husband, literally this morning because I'm going on maternity leave and I'm taking a very long one. And that took almost like the entirety of my pregnancy to try to my business had to completely change shape for me to do that. And in that journey of reshaping. It really did make me kind of confront a lot of things that were like, dysfunctional or had outstayed their welcome and whatever, I think it's a much more sustainable path going forward. But I share that because I was saying to my husband, this is something I bring up in therapy all the time, like, I can do this thing. So why would I not do this thing? That's my hardest, most challenging thought when I pivoted my podcast to every other week, out of respect for just my body. It's harder. This is delightful and easy to do, but meaning like to sit down to really think about a podcast episode and a topic and record it just harder in my body right Now like physically to do that all the time, every week was too hard. And that was so hard because I just thought, if I'm not doing it all the time, then people will forget about me and I can do it. There's nothing stopping me. So then I have to confront like, well, I don't want to do it. And that's been that's that has been my hardest thing is like, centering the, I don't really want to do it. Like I, you know, like, like, I don't, I don't. Yeah, or at the very least being like, while I'm maybe if I'm not okay with it, I'm willing to give it a shot, you know, I'm willing to go with it. It took until I would say 2020, for me to be like, Oh, I don't want to do this stuff. Like how interesting like, I don't think I've ever wanted to not the the work or the courses, but elements of it. And I remember, it was pretty eye opening. And from there, it was kind of like, well, is that enough? And of course it is. But I think that in answer to your question like that has been, because I am, I am able to do so much. I have so many ideas. I'm I kind of run hot and hard naturally, like I'm able to do just create produce a lot. And that part of it doesn't exhaust me. But there are, as soon as I'm clicked into anything that isn't really like something I want to do it just, you know, slays the life out of me really. It's taken a long time, a lot of like, collapses into like burnout and exhaustion for me to be like I have to do that. And really, it would probably be wiser and more financially feasible and more respectful for myself and my community if I just dropped it, you know, so yeah, I would say that's my biggest piece. For sure.

Haleigh Fullilove  22:02  

Yeah. For me personally, I yeah, that whenever whenever I've thought about saying no or, or feeling like like what you said, when I have that feeling of I don't want to do this. I have so much guilt and shame around that. Yeah. Do you have any tips or tricks or things that you've done in the past to kind of like not overcome it, but kind of let the emotions flow through you, of course, but kind of handling that when it comes up? Because it is so important to recognize that and to allow yourself to give yourself grace, you know? Yeah.

Lindsay Mack  22:36  

I mean, this answer maybe is a little out there. But it is what helps me is that I? I have that too. And yes, step one for me as well is like, whoa, okay, there's guilt and shame here can I be with the guilt and shame, can they just be here without me trying to avoid them, which is its own animal and its own challenge. I look at it as a matter of ants, ancestral healing work, actually, and of breaking generational curses that are like, this is something I recognize in my father, and my father. I don't want to speak for him, but I think really loves to work like I do, but is running away from something inside of the process of him working. And I look at my grandparents on both sides, and how they were all trying to run from wounding or pain, because I think they were all really uncomfortable with just being in their own enoughness in their own relaxation or rest or pleasure being centered. And so when I think about the level of inherited beliefs and indoctrination, whether on purpose or not, I have around this. A lot of self compassion arises, because it's a lot easier for me to be like, not to blame my caretakers, but to really be like, of course, like, everything in the overt culture says, like, you know, how on earth could you How on earth dare you not do this because you don't want to I also think that generationally, that's a little bit a part of what millennials and younger are breaking. And because other generations who are older than us are still very much in the workforce. There's judgment there, that's still really active and present, like we're not yet as 40 year olds, like 3040 years ago, we're not really ascending to the kind of positions that we would be because the older generations aren't retiring, which is whatever it is, but there's just like a lot on us that I don't think was ever even in the picture before and we're paying for that. You We're paying for them. So there really isn't everybody's paying for it. So I think I really look at it, like a matter of like, generational necessity. And now, I look at it as like, well, what what would I want to encourage my child to do what I want to really encourage them to feel available to consider in their own life? So there's, I go there with it. And that helps me to widen the lens a bit. Yeah, yeah,

Haleigh Fullilove  25:37  

I think that this is so wholly important, because I recently came across, I think this report came out towards the end of last year, and it's called the Creator burnout report. And it shows all these different aspects under the umbrella of burnout and how it relates to online creators. And it says that, which I'm not surprised by this number at all that 90% of online creators have or are experiencing burnout currently, and I mean, literally, outside of the online creator world, like who isn't experiencing burnout at this point. But it's so interesting to see. And it's also kind of shocking, to just really see that number on on paper. And I think, you know, relating back to, over giving and saying no, I think a lot of that is worked on through setting boundaries, which is very difficult for a lot of people and within reason, because setting boundaries can be hard. But do you have any advice about setting boundaries and kind of maybe like, if someone is listening right now, and they have had trouble with setting boundaries for a long, long time? What would you say would be like a good first step for them to just try something small to kind of work their way up?

Lindsay Mack  26:58  

I think I have a couple different things that popped up at one time, but the biggest, most dominant thing is to know why I haven't. Okay, I have like a slightly twofold response, I have an action step. And I just have a broad strokes commentary on that. Because you're, you're so right. I think the biggest fear, we like boundaries are a big deal to me, obviously. And I think a lot of us feel like, they're mean, we're uncomfortable with them. And I know, because I've had so many conversations with other entrepreneurs about this, or creative professionals or people who are in their own businesses, they're afraid they're gonna lose business, if they don't, if they're not always there for any beck and call any entitled desire that their client or customer has. I understand some people like that's literally the position. And I still think boundaries can be created inside of that space. So I would say, in my personal experience, I've experienced that fear as well. And it's never happened, the only thing that's ever happened is and God loves them. The people who really are not meant to be working with me have gone. And whenever we kind of utilize any space that we do any kind of client interfacing business in as a sort of a platform for transformative realization and change. So let's take Instagram. If we make a decree on our Instagram, like I don't do DMS I only email which I have and which other people do. There is going to be at first, a lot of hyper vigilance, like what if the most important DM of my life comes in and I miss it? And that's valid, that's valid. I still think though, making a commitment to say, my fucking email is in my profile, like, it's, it's in the link tree. If they really want to talk to me, they'll figure it out, you know, and maybe that's not someone's thing. Maybe they're like, I don't answer email. After a certain hour, I actually think making these small step choices to really ask ourselves like, where is the biggest bulk of my headaches? The traffic coming in? Into my like, where are the traffic jams happening where I get frustrated upset where I'm dreading it? How can we create just a little bit of equilibrium there so that there can be more expansion and a lot less resentment, or chasing or feeling like it eventually we pay for that. So I think it seems more expensive to like create the the dam and yet the floods are very expensive, right? So yeah, I do think creating that is really nice and And my guardrails are pretty fucking tight in my business. But I've also set up guideposts for the people who connect with me to find kind of a warm way in. So before I had an assistant, there was a really loving away message, you know, that people could get right away. Now they interface really only with the person who, who sort of runs my inbox for me, I respond to anything that's really timely or important. But that is something that this person who I've hired, loves to do, she really enjoys interfacing. And while I love my community, that's really not my love language, I really like creating things. So we can be in a kind of a container of learning together. So it's hard and it's tangley. But if you can take one step around, like, what do you most not want to do? And what might be the most accessible way that you could create a craft, just a little guardrail between yourself and and those entitled expectations. Because again, we can't change people. If someone has a really high degree of entitlement, I'm not really interested in working with them anyway. So I found like, the money, the clientele is there, the students are there, they just don't need to be those people. So I think another world is possible. Basically,

Haleigh Fullilove  31:32  

I think all of this is so important to know that I mean, not everyone is for you. And that's a good thing like to know that as a business owner, and putting these practices in place kind of weeds people out, and it further guides the right people to you, which is what you want at the end of the day. So there's no there's really no cons to any of this. Yeah, there isn't. That's so valuable. And I'm so glad that you dive deep into that, because I think it's something that everyone needs to hear, including myself. So and I don't even have an online business. So

Unknown Speaker  32:10  

truly for everybody.

Haleigh Fullilove  32:12  

So I really want to transition into a another kind of pain point that I feel like I've noticed, a lot of creators have, which is building an audience, and you have a really, really great online audience are very engaged. What were some of the strategies and tactics that you used to build your audience online?

Lindsay Mack  32:32  

Well, I want to say that I feel like I, I feel like the world is a little different now. So what I did like, even a couple of years ago, I don't know that it is going to be as effective now. Because when I got started, where I really like started to build my audience was Instagram, but I don't even know if that's possible anymore with the way the algorithm is just a crushing force was pretty different back in, like 2014. So chronological

Unknown Speaker  33:07  


Lindsay Mack  33:08  

back. Yeah, and we were there, there wasn't actually that many spiritual entrepreneurs, there really were not that many. So I'll of course name what I did. But knowing that someone may take this and apply it to where they're at, I have always had a little bit of a motto that has guided me that is so completely, like not unique or special, but that I always want to be giving something away, always. So the way that I've built my audience has been through that. So at first, that was doing daily card posts on Instagram, I had the space for it, I liked it, it felt really engaging. And that was how I got an enormous amount of my reading clients and how I started to teach. And I really trusted what I had to say, and really let my interpretation sort of like be what they wanted to be. And I didn't really care as I still don't about what sort of quote the card means. It really just mattered to me what invitation it was bringing that particular day. Then there came a time when that felt like it was too much. And I was doing too much to really commit to that right when that happened. I got the opportunity to do Tarot scopes on a weekly and monthly basis for a much, much larger blog. And so I took that and that really expanded my audience because there were way more people listening to me and and reading my writing. And it was something to point to, and then it sort of felt time to drop that as well. And that was when my podcast was born. So there have always been these things that started really small and got very A very big that have just been no barrier to access whatsoever. Like, you can just you can you can go anywhere you want, there's no paywall, you can just take it in. Yeah, in fact, I say to people, sometimes, I think my offerings are very excessively priced. But I do say to people like if you never wanted, or if you never were in the position to invest in a course of mine, you could take pretty much a whole course, just based on what I've done for free, it's not the same, but it's out there to be sure. And in fact, there's some topics I've gone into on my podcasts I've never even talked about. So there wasn't that sense, when I was getting started, or at least I wasn't aware of it of like, brand yourself, and always be like, it really kind of came from my heart, I was just like, I really kind of want to offer this. So I would say having a really clear cut sense of what you give away, because it feels really good and really accessible to you. And because there's room in your cup to do so. And what you then invite people into through that

as a way of sort of continuing the learning or deepening the learning or whatever you're doing. I don't know, it's, it's honestly hard to even like, when I first started to do that, I didn't have a big sense of like, I'm going to leverage this into that I just really wanted to offer it, it felt nice to do and liked connecting with people, it was a lot smaller. Community, my Instagram feels a little bit like the Wild West. Now. There's a lot more people, but that has now shifted into, like what I offer my newsletters was I think that there's, I see a lot of people. And I understand why this happens. And it's because of the algorithm and it sucks. But I do see a lot of folks throwing anything at the wall, anything just to see if it sticks. And what I would encourage folks to do is like, I think that's great, because anything can be an invitation to learn or discover. Really give yourself time to ask, What do I feel like I could do for a while, like when I started my podcast, there were like three terabyte podcasts. Now there are million, which is so exciting. But I've seen like a lot of people again, like they'll start a podcast, and then they don't, they don't continue it. Because I don't think people realize like what it takes to do that on a on a seasonal basis on a weekly basis. Like it takes time and energy and money and like, and it's still a joy for me to do so. So I think giving yourself the spaciousness to say, if I'm going to do a video a day, do I really want to do a video a day? Or what I like to offer this some other way. I think giving ourselves the freedom and the permission to be able to say, Okay, I want there to be this just free and open heart heart centered exchange, how would I like to offer it? And can I be courageous enough to move into the next thing when this one iteration of what I'm offering has expired. So I think not being afraid to shake it up a little bit that that has been how my audience has grown. So it's been a little mix of like, it could not ever discount the numinous for giving me the opportunity to be the Tarasque person that really grew my audience, but my podcast was the thing that made it like explode. And that wasn't, that wasn't really what I was expecting. I just thought a couple people tune in and I'll talk about tarot, and it'll, I don't know, you know what it'll be, but it'll be something. And people really liked it. So you know, and now I, I have honestly been feeling like, a little uninspired with the podcasts. And I imagined that that means that something else might be wanting to come forward. And I know that because I've been through it before. So there's, like letting yourself evolve, I think and those those have been the things that have really, the fraction of my audience that has actually invested in offering is quite small. My audience is very big when compared to the people who have taken a step to invest with me, like it's still a lovely amount. But there are people who will hang in there with me for years and just want to learn or want to be there. And I think that's great, you know?

Haleigh Fullilove  39:46  

Yeah, that's fantastic. And it's really the best of both worlds because not only when you're offering that free content, you're following your joy while you're doing it, because it feels good to you at the time. And along with that you're building so so much trust with your community. And just really, I think so taking that time to connect with the people that follow you, which is such a win win. So that's great. And something that I'm always so interested in, is hearing about. And this is kind of a moment for you to brag about yourself is to hear about how creators have provided a transformation for the people that they've worked with. What are some things that have stood out to you the most about some feedback that you've gotten from either your online course students or clients that you've worked with in the past,

Lindsay Mack  40:37  

I will say I am blessed with a capital B with the most like, epic feedback, you could imagine from people just sharing stories about how the work is impacted them. The most personally exciting feedback to me, is when I hear from someone, it's all lovely. But when I hear from somebody that the taro felt inaccessible, scary, there was a lot of trauma and concern for them about like, what might happen if they engage with this tool. And through engaging with my work, whether through the podcast, or course, there was a shift in them. And really, all that is happening is that they're turning toward themselves and starting to trust. What I believe is a calling from this tool to them, like I'm not really doing anything. But I do think like my courses and my offerings do provide a bridge for people to trust that the Tarot is a safe place to land in terms of using it as a helping tool. So there have just been such beautiful stories about people feeling like, they actually understand the cards in their own way for the first time, or I'll hear from folks who've worked with me for many years, too many offerings alike. Which is, by the way, what I'm about to say is super normal and completely understandable. But like, I only learned from you. So a lot of what I was saying was sort of sounded like you and now it doesn't. Now it sounds like me. And I like your offerings. Yeah, like your offerings provided this sort of anchor point for me to kind of grow my wings, and now I'm flying. And like, I don't have to come back to that anchor point that can always be a part of our lineage of learning. But people coming into themselves through the work. And it's 100% them and their magic and what they're doing. But that is really exciting. That is really lovely to see that.

Haleigh Fullilove  42:55  

Oh, I love that so much that makes me so happy I leave. It's always just the best feeling to kind of get reminded like, Okay, this is why I'm doing what I'm doing. And I'm yeah, I'm following my purpose. So I really appreciate you sharing that. So you have an online course launch coming up shortly. In February, I'd love to learn more about that, you know, what's all gonna happen? Like, what can people expect, and all of that.

Lindsay Mack  43:23  

So I would be delighted to share I have two one in early February, one in March, and one in March, I think will probably be a little bit more appropriate to what we're to the timing, but I will have a brand new offering called rewilding our intuition. And it's a little it's a little one, just a couple of for me, this is a little one but a couple of hours of audio material, rather than like, weeks and weeks of it, just essentially, this really lovely foundational primer. For folks who would like to engage with a supportive inroad to beginning to trust in their intuitive voice. There's a lot of stuff to unpack, there are a lot of blocks, there's a lot of wounding a lot of us have around intuition. And that is really what the offering gets up this kind of like, okay, can we acknowledge there's fear, there might be a story that you're not intuitive enough. So that is that one that comes out on February 2, and by the time this comes out, we'll just be available. But the bigger launch is that my yearly kind of super comprehensive Keystone course called tariff of the wild soul will open for enrollment from about March 7 to I believe, the 17th That's real quick, just open and shut. And then that material will open up on March 21. And it won't open again until 2023. And that one is really it's it's a very, very epic, really deep, very powerful journey into truly Making taro your own tool. We don't really go into much linearly, like it's very out of order. And I think one of the best ways to learn Tarot is rather than me teaching you what the High Priestess is, it's much, much easier to learn when we sort of talked about when in life, would we be in a high priestess season. So we're starting with life first, and then plugging the card into it. So that's the whole course. It's a very high degree of like journaling and creative imagination and ritual, and, of course, very deep and comprehensive lessons. And so, yeah, that one is my really big one, where we explore the Tarot sort of nonlinearly in that that is the one that comes out, like right on time for this.

Haleigh Fullilove  45:50  

Oh, amazing. That's so fantastic. I'm so excited. And I'm already sending you huge congratulations on the launch. And I'm really excited to hear how it goes. So thank you. Awesome. Where can all of our listeners keep in touch with you after they're done listening to this episode.

Lindsay Mack  46:07  

So the best place is to go to tariff, the wild soul.com or Lindsey mac.com. And sign up for my newsletter. Because I'm going to be on maternity leave for the majority of 2022. I have a lot of really lovely, sweet content that is sort of back loaded and ready to go for folks on the newsletter front, I'll be probably totally off Instagram, but they're welcome to follow me there at Wild soul healing. I will have different courses coming out different offerings that they can engage with through the year, really just website newsletter, and the podcast will be happening until March 25. And then that'll go on hiatus. So yeah, there are a couple of places to find nourishment in there. Perfect.

Haleigh Fullilove  46:57  

Thank you for sharing. And I know that I need to follow you on Instagram. I don't know how I haven't yet. But I'm excited to soak up all of that amazing content. And Lindsay, before we end the episode, do you have any last words of wisdom or inspiration for our listeners?

Lindsay Mack  47:16  

I think as cliched as it sounds, you can do this. And to really trust yourself and know that any setback any challenge whatever is going on were like these are impossibly challenging times, especially now. And I think being really gentle with ourselves not putting pressure to create the next great thing like just really being gentle. I have found, especially this past year, and even in the last few months, has been the breeding ground for some really lovely work that has been surprising me. So I think to just really be with where you are and know that wherever you happen to find yourself, you've got it, you can do it. You have something to say and whether or not it's all coming together now or later. It will in time. So just then I'm rooting for everyone listening.

Haleigh Fullilove  48:23  

Oh my goodness, thank you. I know I'm gonna be personally keeping that locked away in my mind. And thank you so much for that. It's I needed to hear that. Oh my goodness. Thank you so much, Lindsay. It has been such an absolute pleasure getting to know you talking to you hearing about your experience and your journey. And I'm really excited for everyone to listen to this.

Lindsay Mack  48:44  

Thank you. Me too. Thank you so much for having me.

Haleigh Fullilove  48:46  

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